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calm down dennis
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Sure I asked for comments. But the comment Shedder made about me never going to master both grips if I keep switching is just ignorant at best.Quote:
Originally posted by benrand:
You asked for comments.
Get with it dude! Did you even read the thread?
of all the things others have said about your solo being stiff, nonmusical, and having no groove... you're getting worked up about changing grips? nice to see where the priorites in your drumming are. don't put yourself out there with a 50mb video if you can't handle the comments.
"For the record, I have only been playing traditional ONE year." yes, i can tell.
"Maybe you need to go hit the woodshed and work on your's more?" nice come back.
derek, i highly doubt this guy went in with the mentality of "hey since this is a drum off, i'm gonna try my best to not play anything musical and just show off as much pointless chops as i can."
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ October 08, 2004 04:26 PM: Message edited by: shedder ]</font>
Nice job Nev! Dug the groove sections and the chops.
Just go for it man!
That's one way to end a career before it takes off...
Sometimes it's just better to let someone's comments go unanswered than to respond...you know how in football how the guy who retaliates always gets penalized?
I thought Dazzler and Shedder were a little harsh, myself. Easy now, fellas.
By the way, I play traditional grip with both hands(at the same time). Anybody want to make something of it? Bring it on!
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ October 08, 2004 04:34 PM: Message edited by: cjbdrm ]</font>
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks Andy, your comments are always appreciated!Quote:
Originally posted by Andy Vermiglio:
Nice job Nev! Dug the groove sections and the chops.
Just go for it man!
I just came back from seeing Thomas Lang... 95% of the clinic was blowing chops. Now, i am sure that he can play VERY musically but people recognize his technical skills and want to see that in a clinic. When seeing Billy Ward, people want to see someone milking the drums of their sound and laying it down deeper than the Grand Canyon. People formulate their expectations based on perception. How those players are perceived is based on what their "outstanding" attribute is.
People seeing these drum-offs are in the same boat. People hear drums play 2&4 on every pop-music oriented song released. They want to see what they perceive as the "outstanding" attribute of the drums. To most people, that is blowing chops on on the set. Who is perceived as "pushing the limits on the instrument?" ...Those who move the technical aspect forward, let's not fool ourself. Jeff Porcaro impressed the average person subconsciously. He made people's asses move; Lang and Virgil do it blatantly by making their jaws drop. What do YOU think people "want to see" at these things?
"Very true Derek, but they will get you EVERYWHERE as far as other musicians will want to play with you. That's the point isn't it?"
See Dazz, this is the problem. You're attacking the issue with logic. [img]tongue.gif[/img]
It's NOT the point. If it was, I'd be more inclined to support these events in general. However, the honest truth is that the winner is who blows the most and best, period. I have never seen this disproven at any of the drumoff finals I've attended (4) nor have I seen it at the store level. (maybe 3)
Either way, you're totally correct. I'm just pointing out that Evan has clearly stated he's playing what will move him ahead, not what's musical.
from my experience, "i played as a finalist in the pearl players challege in 94 in the open class".
drum competitions have nothing to do with music.
as do most drum instruction videos, or clinics.
the statement of you will be judged on, Originality, Technique, Style, Skills, Showmanship, Stage Presence, Overall Performance. can totally be ingored.
in the end it's, "do you have chops that destroy the other guy".
it doesn't matter if you have feel,style, or any other concept that has to do with music. from the judges point of view, if you have killer chops, you have technique, skills, and probably look more impressive that the other guys.
most profesionals that i know would look at this clip and laugh. partly out of knowing that most of what was displayed is not needed to be a "pro" drummer, and partly out of jelously and resentment that nevesis has better chops than they do.
nevertheless he did a great job as far as a drum solo geared towards a music store type competition. it had all the elements to wow the kids, and the easily impressed.
by the way "to me", most judges in these competitions are grossly underqualified on a "professional" level.
so to me they count as the "easily impressed".
as is shown by the fact that nevesis "was a finalist".
to that i say "kudos to you nevesis!!!!"
you came you ripped, and they liked it.
that's what you set out to do, and you did.
by the way, i feel ther was some improvement in your overall presentation and groove implementation between the first clip and they second.
chris perra
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ October 09, 2004 04:07 AM: Message edited by: chris perra ]</font>